July | 2021 | Programming with Palermo

Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on July 26, 2021

Amanda Silver on What's Coming for Developers - Episode 151

Joining the podcast this week is Amanda Silver! Amanda is the Corporate Vice President (CVP) of Product for Microsoft's Developer Division which includes the Visual Studio family of products, .NET, TypeScript, and Azure developer platforms. She has been key to Microsoft's transformation to contribute to open source with the introduction of TypeScript, Visual Studio Code, and the acquisition of both Xamarin and GitHub. She believes that a tight digital feedback loop with zero distance between end-users and engineering teams is a critical element of great product development.

In this episode, Amanda discusses what's coming next for senior and junior developers alike. She shares her experiences on Microsoft's Developer Division; what developers can look forward to regarding Visual Studio 2022, Azure PaaS, GitHub Codespaces, Visual Studio Code, and more. She also speaks about what the industry as a whole can do to improve developer and user satisfaction, attract more potential developers to the field, and how we can make education more accessible. Amanda has invaluable insights on many different topics that you'll want to tune in for!

"We need to talk to our customers [and] the people we aspire to be our customers every single day — that's the only way that we can make sure that we're building products that people love and use." — Amanda Silver

Topics of Discussion:

[:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:18] About today's episode with Amanda Silver.

[2:00] Jeffrey welcomes Amanda to the podcast!

[2:08] Amanda speaks about her career journey thus far and what has led her to her current position at Microsoft.

[5:21] How Amanda's team is organized at Microsoft, the work that they do, and the practices they engage in with their users.

[9:37] Amanda shares her thoughts on the importance of developers, how developers can become more effective in their roles, what the industry can do to attract more people into the field, and more.

[12:29] How the industry is helping developers enter the industry quicker and what can be improved on in the industry to lower the barrier to entry.

[16:30] About the upcoming release of Visual Studio and the recent preview.

[18:57] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[19:29] Amanda describes machine learning and AI and how it can help developers.

[22:33] Static analysis vs. probabilistic analysis.

[26:09] Amanda describes the vision for Visual Studio Code.

[30:02] Has Visual Studio Code become the most popular coding text editor?

[30:58] There is a lot of Visual Studio Code in GitHub Codespaces. Amanda explains how these products fit together.

[35:12] About the current work Microsoft is doing regarding Azure PaaS services and the changes that developers can look forward to in the future.

[37:24] Are containers the future?

[38:32] About Azure Arc, how it is designed, and what this means.

[39:18] Jeffrey thanks Amanda Silver for joining the podcast.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Amanda Silver on GitHub

Amanda Silver's LinkedIn

.NET 6.0

Hot Reload

Visual Studio 2022 Preview

GitHub Codespaces

Visual Studio Code

Azure PaaS services
Kubernetes

Azure Arc

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on July 19, 2021

Capers Jones on Software Quality and Productivity - Episode 150

This week, Jeffrey is joined by Capers Jones! Capers is a software engineer and prolific researcher and publisher. He's written over 17 books on software engineering, software metrics, and software best practices — covering quality, productivity, and many other topics. He is a founder of Namcook Analytics, which is an international software consulting company where he currently serves as the Chief Scientist. Mr. Jones has spoken at numerous conferences and also advises international governments in software engineering. Capers started his career as a software engineer in the Office of the Surgeon General for the United States but found his passion for research and advisement at IBM where he developed methods of large project cost estimation as well as methods for productivity and quality measurement.

Today, Capers continues to publish, speak and advise while he bridges the learnings and data of over 20,000 software projects to modern tools, languages, and software challenges. His latest book, Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns, is coming out in August 2021. You can pre-order it now on Amazon!

In this conversation, Capers shares about his career in software engineering and researching; his upcoming book, Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns; trends he has noticed in recent data and his research; and big shifts that developers should be aware of in the industry. Capers also gives his thoughts on defect prevention techniques, design review, decomposition, formal inspection, static analysis, reusability, and more. This episode is jampacked with information on software quality and productivity — so don't miss out!

Topics of Discussion:

[:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:22] About today's episode with Capers Jones.

[2:45] Jeffrey welcomes Capers to the podcast!

[3:19] What led Capers into this field of software engineering and research as well as some of his major career highlights.

[7:07] Capers recommends how to read through his body of work.

[8:32] About Capers' upcoming book, Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns.

[9:26] Key practices that Caper recommends every team should be engaging in.

[12:25] Has Capers found a difference in the trend of bugs for people who have decomposed software systems into multiple, smaller parts vs. keeping them all as a part of one codebase? (AKA the microservices movement)

[13:32] Capers talks defect prevention techniques.

[15:12] Defect detection or prevention/removal techniques for enterprise developers, or those running business applications, should employ.

[16:16] What is a design review and how can you conduct one?

[17:27] Ways that Capers has seen to implement a formal inspection that work well.

[19:05] Capers' thought process on static analysis today and what the data is showing.

[19:48] Capers shares what has changed in software engineering recently due to new data and research.

[23:04] Capers speaks about the importance of including users in the conversation as systems are being developed.

[24:25] Capers talks about' reuseability' when it comes to producing ½ million-1 million+ lines of code.

[25:16] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[25:48] Capers gives practical advice based on research for mid-sized companies with 5-10 developers.

[27:53] Capers' thoughts on function points (and any objective measures for software size) in the modern world.

[28:42] What can development managers do to measure how big the software system is going to be, if their team is high-performing, etc.?

[30:05] What tool does Caper recommend to use?

[31:17] Caper gives a rundown of which tools you should be considering.

[33:51] How much new data has been gathered in the last several years compared to the past?

[34:15] What can a team do to submit their past projects to be included in the research?

[35:16] How and why you should apply function points today.

[41:08] Half of the developers in the industry today have less than 7 years of experience which means the number of programmers has doubled since 2014! Capers shares his thoughts on this.

[43:50] Capers and Jeffrey discuss other data and statistics regarding the industry.

[45:15] Capers shares some parting words on how and why you should pick up his newest book, Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns.

[46:03] Jeffrey thanks Capers for joining the podcast.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Namcook Analytics

Caper Jones' Email: Capers.Jones@gmail.com

Software Development Patterns and Antipatterns, by Capers Jones

Software Risk Master (SRM) Tool from Namcook

"Variations in Software Development by Function Point Size," by Capers Jones | IFPUG

Applied Software Measurement: Global Analysis of Productivity and Quality, by Capers Jones

Software Engineering Institute

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on July 12, 2021

David Starr on Better Engineering Practices - Episode 149

This week on the podcast, Jeffrey is welcoming an old friend of his, David Starr! David is a Principal Solutions Architect in the Azure Industry Experiences team at Microsoft where he focuses on helping companies bring their solutions to Azure and the Azure Marketplace, becoming Microsoft partners. David is the founder of ElegantCode.com, has served in numerous leadership roles, and has been an early and consistent advocate for Agile workflow and engineering practices. He is a co-host of his own podcast as well, Azure For Executives.

In this episode, David speaks about better engineering practices, different levels of testing, his favorite tools, and the absolute fundamental engineering practices that developers should be engaging in. He also shares his take on MOQs, shift left testing, pin testing, and more!

Topics of Discussion:

[:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:32] About today's episode with David Starr!

[2:11] Jeffrey welcomes David Starr to the podcast.

[2:32] David shares some of his career highlights and what led him to work at Microsoft.

[8:11] What are some of the great engineering practices that are most applicable today?

[10:53] David shares some key takeaways around having better agility through better engineering practices.

[15:22] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[15:54] Fundamental engineering practices that all teams should be engaging in.

[18:58] David explains what pin testing is and why it is important.

[20:20] David shares his favorite tools in Visual Studio.

[21:26] How to know what levels of testing to add to your build when you're getting started.

[22:21] David's take on MOQs.

[23:35] Talking about different levels of tests.

[23:57] Jeffrey and David discuss the Software as a Service (SaaS) transformation of the Azure DevOps team of going from Visual Studio Team Server to Visual Studio Team Services.

[24:39] David explains the term 'shift left' testing.

[25:43] Why shift left and not shift right?

[28:22] Other engineering practices that David advises developers to go after, after the build and testing.

[37:18] Where to learn more about what David is talking about and connect with him online!

[38:12] Jeffrey thanks David for joining the podcast.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow

David Starr on Pluralsight

The Azure for Executives with David Starr

David's Website: ElegantCode.com

David's Twitter: @ElegantCoder

David on GitHub @DStarr

Scrum.org

Ken Schwaber

97 Things Every Scrum Practitioner Should Know: Collective Wisdom from the Experts, by Gunther Verheyen

Azure DevOps Services

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on July 5, 2021

Richard Lander on the New .NET Platform - Episode 148

Richard is a Principal Program Manager on the .NET Core team at Microsoft. He's been with Microsoft for a total of 21 years, 18 of which have been with the .NET team (since 2003 when the codename was Whidbey!) Richard is truly a mover and shaker when it comes to pushing the .NET platform forward! Currently, he's working on runtime features and performance, CLI experience, docker container experience, ARM32 and ARM64 support, IoT/GPIO/PWM support, blogging and customer engagement, and speaking at conferences. He's also part of the design team that defines new .NET runtime capabilities and features. And in his spare time, he enjoys British rock and Doctor Who!

A lot has changed since Richard was last on the show! In this episode, he is here to discuss all of the changes to the new .NET platform, how he's continuing to push the .NET platform forward together with his team, the current state-of-the-art tools and techniques in the .NET IoT space and .NET applications, exciting developments with his current .NET blog series on DevBlogs.Microsoft.com, and much more!

Topics of Discussion:

[:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:23] About today's episode with Richard Lander!

[2:07] Jeffrey welcomes Richard Lander back to the podcast.

[2:24] Richard shares what has changed on his team in the last two years and what they have been recently up to.

[4:19] Richard shares about his role with the .NET team and what he mainly works on.

[5:54] Richard's vision and goals with the new .NET blog series.

[7:56] About the various topics Richard has covered thus far with his blog series and a sneak preview of some upcoming blog topics he will be covering.

[8:42] Richard shares what he and his team are doing on the front of platform OS enablement and Apple Silicon.

[13:04] Jeffrey and Richard discuss Microsoft's focus on backwards compatibility.

[14:44] The current state-of-the-art in the .NET IoT space.

[18:51] Have the .NET and IoT teams had conversations around Terminal.Gui?

[19:20] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[21:00] What is the current method with IoT devices? Are there any built-in testing capabilities?

[24:19] Richard shares what the current state-of-the-art is for those doing regular .NET applications.

[29:22] If a developer just deploys to App Service, are they using Azure containers under the covers regardless?

[30:50] Richard shares his predictions on what he sees as being the most general-purpose runtime (AKS, App Service, ACI, etc.) in Azure for regular Blazor applications that developers are starting to build.

[34:40] Jeffrey and Richard reflect on why it is such an interesting and exciting time to be a developer.

[35:45] Does .NET and C# have the fastest mainstream execution?

[39:48] Jeffrey thanks Richard for joining the podcast.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow