Author Archives: Jeffrey Palermo

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.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jimmy Engström's Microsoft Profile

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Jimmy Engström's Twitter @EngstromJimmy

EngstromJimmy.com

Jimmy Engström's LinkedIn

Web Development with Blazor, A hands-on guide for .NET developers to build interactive UIs with C#, by Jimmy Engström (on PacktHub)

Web Development with Blazor: A hands-on guide for .NET developers to build interactive UIs with C#, by Jimmy Engström (on Amazon)

Jimmy Engström on Sessionize

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on December 27, 2021

Aaron Stannard on the Actor Model with Akka.NET | Part 2 - Episode 173

In this episode, Jeffrey is rejoined by Aaron Stannard for the second half of their two part interview! Be sure to turn into last week's episode, "Aaron Stannard on the Actor Model with Akka.NET | Part 1" to learn all about Aaron's career history and the creation of Akka.NET.

Aaron is the founder and CEO of Petabridge and Sdkbin, building open source tools for .NET developers to build concurrent and distributed applications. He's also the founder of MarkedUp Analytics, a real-time in-app marketing and analytics service used by 1000+ developers, and has spent some time inside Microsoft as a Startup Developer Evangelist.

In this episode, Aaron discusses the general use cases of Akka.NET, the problem it addresses, where and how to use the actor model, and more. Don't miss out on this deeply fascinating two-part series with Aaron Stannard!

Topics of Discussion:

[:36] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:13] About today's episode with Aaron Stannard.

[1:53] For application types, if someone is building a web application, a native application, or a mobile app, would they put Akka.NET in a backend process that consumes messages being received from somewhere?

[3:53] Is high-scale more so Akka.NET's bread-and-butter as opposed to low-scale, but constantly running?

[10:10] Is the transport always a queue like Azure Service Bus or is it ever a web service call?

[13:32] Is Akka.NET used instead of or with other frameworks?

[15:32] Aaron shares several use cases of Akka.NET and explains the problems that it can address.

[22:02] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[22:37] Why a developer might look at/use Akka.NET. Aaron also explains another area where actors are used.

[26:56] The nuanced things you can do with Akka.NET that you can't do with other built-in tools in platforms like Azure.

[27:28] How close on the network do the servers need to be to participate?

[27:53] Aaron explains how Akka.Cluster would work for a specific use case problem.

[29:43] Where the actor model can help developers.

[33:17] The overhead requirements for Akka.NET.

[35:04] Where to learn more about Akka.NET and find Aaron Stannard online.

[37:19] Jeffrey thanks Aaron Stannard for joining the podcast.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Akka.NET Bootcamp | Petabridge

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

.NET Conf

Akka.NET

Petabridge Blog

Aaron Stannard's Website

Aaron Stannard's Twitter @Aaronontheweb

"When and How to Use the Actor Model An Introduction to Akka NET Actors" (Microsoft Visual Studio Youtube Channel)

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on December 20, 2021

Aaron Stannard on the Actor Model with Akka.NET | Part 1 - Episode 172

In this episode, Jeffrey is joined by a deeply fascinating guest, Aaron Stannard! Aaron is the founder and CEO of Petabridge and Sdkbin, building open source tools for .NET developers to build concurrent and distributed applications. He's also the founder of MarkedUp Analytics, a real-time in-app marketing and analytics service used by 1000+ developers, and has spent some time inside Microsoft as a Startup Developer Evangelist.

In this conversation, Aaron shares the story of his career history up to this point in time, the creation of Akka.NET and Petabridge, and the problems that these projects aim to address.

Be sure to tune in next week for the second part of this interview with Aaron Stannard!

Topics of Discussion:

[:36] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:15] About today's episode with Aaron Stannard.

[1:54] Jeffrey welcomes Aaron to the podcast!

[3:42] Aaron shares his career history and journey.

[8:38] Aaron shares the story of Akka.NET.

[13:38] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[14:11] Aaron continues the story of Akka.NET and explains what problems it addresses.

[19:19] Aaron shares how many lines of code was the first rev of Akka just to get the basics working.

[23:30] Be sure to tune in next week for the second and final part of the interview with Aaron Stannard!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Akka.NET Bootcamp | Petabridge

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

.NET Conf

Akka.NET

Petabridge Blog

Aaron Stannard's Website

Aaron Stannard's Twitter @Aaronontheweb

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on December 13, 2021

Jessica Engström on User Experience - Episode 171

This week, Jessica Engström joins the podcast to speak about user experience.

Jessica is an international speaker, teacher, podcaster, mentor, geek, and the CEO of her own company. One of her passions is the developer community where she organizes conferences, events, streams, and runs multiple user groups. She's also the co-host of the Coding After Work Podcast and Twitch channel! One thing that Jessica is absolutely sure of is that you can never learn enough! And this is why she is continuously learning new things, researching, and trains with some of the best people in the world.

In this episode, Jessica shares her insights on UX, her advice to developers looking to get into it, tips for making your UX more accessible, the greater problems she would like to see solved with better UX, and other key pieces of advice around UX standards and development.

Topics of Discussion:

[:36] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:13] About today's episode with Jessica Engström.

[2:01] Jeffrey welcomes Jessica Engström to the podcast!

[2:18] Jessica shares her background and what led her to doing what she does today.

[5:27] Jessica describes the multiple projects and roles she holds from hosting a podcast to being a mentor to being the CEO of her own company, and more.

[8:05] Jessica describes what user experience is to her, some of the current missing pieces, and what areas of it need to be more broadly educated about.

[11:51] Jessica's UX methodology and her recommendations on how to get started with it.

[15:22] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[15:55] Jessica shares an important UX design tip.

[17:05] How Jessica recommends teaching new developers the UX rules of thumb.

[18:34] Jessica defines accessibility when it comes to UX.

[21:36] How to make UX more accessible and other options that Jessica thinks should be available on all websites/platforms.

[27:30] Jessica recommends resources to check out if you're interested in learning more about UX.

[28:43] Are there embedded UX standards when you choose a CSS framework (such as Material UI or Bootstrap)? Would Jessica recommend them?

[30:00] The similarities and differences between HTML UIs and Windows Native or mobile.

[31:33] Jessica shares her thoughts on when to use vs. when not to use H1 on a web page.

[33:14] Where to find Jessica online.

[33:27] Jeffrey thanks Jessica Engström for joining the podcast.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jessica Engström's Microsoft MVP Profile

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Jessica Engström's Twitter @EngstromJess

w3.org/WAI/roles/developers

AZM.se/traps

Medium | UX Collective

Instagram #UX

Material UI

Bootstrap

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on December 6, 2021

Arthur Vickers on Entity Framework in .NET 6 - Episode 170

This week, Jeffrey is joined by Arthur Vickers, an Engineering Manager on the Entity Framework team at Microsoft.

With Microsoft only just recently releasing .NET 6 and Entity Framework Core 6.0, it is no exaggeration to say that the last few weeks have been very busy for Arthur. With lots of feedback coming in from new users and over 100,000 downloads in just the first week on NuGet, Arthur has a ton to share about EF Core 6.0 with listeners today.

Arthur shares the origin story of how Entity Framework came to be, where it currently fits into the picture, what's new with this newest installment, what he recommends new users check out first, his personal favorite new feature, and even what's in store for EF Core 7.0.

Topics of Discussion:

[:36] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:13] About today's episode with Arthur Vickers.

[1:23] Jeffrey welcomes Arthur Vickers to the podcast!

[1:51] Arthur shares his career background and how he became an Engineering Manager on the Entity Framework team at Microsoft.

[4:21] The origin story of how Entity Framework came to be, where it currently fits into the picture, and the primary problem it addresses.

[8:38] The difference between Entity Framework Core 6.0 and previous versions of EF.

[12:21] Arthur highlights what's new with EF Core 6.0 and what he recommends new users should specifically take a look at!

[14:42] Will there be backward compatibility possible with EF Core 6.0?

[17:26] Arthur clarifies what temporal tables are and how they work with EF Core 6.0.

[20:03] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[20:34] Prepping for data warehousing with EF Core 6.0.

[22:19] Why isn't indexing being spoken about as much? And what do developers need to know with regards to it?

[24:14] The current state of schema migrations and the latest in this space with .NET 6.

[27:32] If there's a small handful of tables in the database that are not mapped to EF, does that include EF's migration approach from being used?

[28:53] Jeffrey asks Arthur a hypothetical question using Blazor WebAssembly and EF together.

[32:00] Arthur speaks about one of the really exciting things about SQL Lite in WebAssembly accessed by EF Core.

[33:47] What's next for Arthur and his team?

[36:02] How to give your feedback on EF Core 6.0.

[36:25] How to get in touch with Arthur online and keep up with everything he's up to.

[37:30] Jeffrey thanks Arthur Vickers for joining the podcast.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

What's New in Entity Framework Core 6.0

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

DEVintersection Conference — Dec. 7th‒9th in Las Vegas, Nevada (Use discount code: PALERMO)

Arthur Vickers' LinkedIn

Announcing .NET 6 – The Fastest .NET Yet

.NET Conf 2021 "What's New in EF Core 6.0," hosted by Jeremy Likness and Arthur Vickers

GitHub.com/dotNET/EFCore

Arthur Vickers' Twitter @AjcVickers

Arthur on GitHub

Arthur's Personal Blog

Visual Studio 2022 Launch

Dapper

SQLite

Blazor

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on November 29, 2021

Egil Hansen on Blazor Testing with bUnit - Episode 169

This week, Jeffrey is joined by Egil Hansen; a Principal Developer at Delegate, as well as a Microsoft MVP and a .NET Foundation member. Egil has a strong focus on creating maintainable software and loves DDD, TDD, Blazor, and clean code principle. He also streams his coding live on Twitch every Monday and Wednesday.

Egil is also the creator and maintainer of bUnit; an open-source library for testing Blazor components, and AngleSharp.Diffing; a library for semantic comparison of HTML in C#. In this episode, he's giving a rundown of bUnit, its capabilities, and the story behind its creation. He also shares his thoughts on Domain-Driven Design, the future of Blazor, and his background in the industry.

Topics of Discussion:

[:36] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:12] About today's episode with Egil Hansen.

[1:30] Jeffrey welcomes Egil to the podcast!

[1:37] Egil shares his background and what initially led him to develop software.

[4:02] Why Egil took notice of Blazor and what led him to creating the testing library, bUnit.

[7:19] Egil describes what bUnit is and how it's used with Blazor.

[8:44] Egil shares his thought process with putting bUnit together (as well as specifically for testing UI code.)

[14:35] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[15:13] Egil shares his approach to decomposition so that you run into difficulties with testing.

[20:14] Egil speaks about layout components with bUnit.

[23:57] Egil's thought process on component interaction with bUnit.

[25:49] Egil shares his predictions on where he sees the Blazor project going in the future.

[27:54] Egil summarizes what Domain-Driven Design is and what he likes about it.

[31:44] Jeffrey thanks Egil for joining the podcast and Egil shares how listeners can get in touch with him.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Egil Hansen's Twitter @EgilHansen

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

DEVintersection Conference — Dec. 7th‒9th in Las Vegas, Nevada (Use discount code: PALERMO)

EgilHansen.com

Egil Hansen's LinkedIn

Egil Hansen's Twitch @EgilHansen

Egil Hansen on GitHub

bUnit on GitHub

Blazor

Domain-Driven Design: Tackling Complexity in the Heart of Software, by Eric Evans

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on November 22, 2021

Michael Washington on Blazor in .NET 6 - Episode 168

This week, Michael Washington is once again joining the podcast to discuss all things Blazor! He previously joined the podcast on episode 88, where he discussed the state of Blazor back in May 2020.

Michael is an ASP.NET and C# programmer who has extensive knowledge in process improvement, billing systems, and student information systems. He also is the founder of two websites, AiHelpWebsite.com and BlazorHelpWebsite.com — both fantastic resources that help empower developers. Michael resides in Los Angeles, California, with his son Zachary and wife, Valerie.

Hot off the heels of .NET Conf, there is tons to discuss regarding Blazor and .NET 6! Michael shares the key announcement that developers should be looking out for, the announcements he was personally most excited for, and his advice for those looking to just get started with Blazor. He also speaks about some of his recently published books on the topics of Blazor Oqtane and Blazor WebAssembly, speaks about the current state of third-party UI controls and components, and where you can go to take an even deeper dive into everything he discusses today.

Topics of Discussion:

[:36] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:11] About today's episode with Michael Washington.

[1:37] Jeffrey welcomes Michael back to the podcast!

[1:58] Michael introduces himself, shares his career background, and what led him to focus on Blazor.

[4:45] Michael speaks about Azure Communication Services and how to make it work with Blazor.

[7:51] The #1 announcement Michael was most excited for at .NET Conf: hot reload.

[11:38] Michael highlights some of the other key announcements at the recent .NET Conf.

[14:58] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[15:32] Michael speaks about the different types of Blazor applications (beyond serverside and WebAssembly) and gives an overview of the landscape of Blazor going into 2022.

[20:00] Why Michael urges listeners to give Blazor a try if you have not already.

[22:27] Michael shares his insights on WebAssembly and what he currently uses it for.

[25:34] About Michael's recent ebooks, Custom Blazor Oqtane Modules Succinctly and Blazor WebAssembly Succinctly.

[28:27] The current state of the third-party UI controls and components.

[31:34] Michael shares some parting advice on what developers should know about when it comes to .NET 6 and Blazor.

[34:06] Jeffrey thanks Michael for joining The Azure DevOps Podcast once again!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

An Introduction to Building Applications with Blazor: How to get started creating applications using this existing easy to use Microsoft C# framework, by Michael Washington

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

DEVintersection Conference — Dec. 7th‒9th in Las Vegas, Nevada (Use discount code: PALERMO)

Blazor Succinctly, by Michael Washington

"Advanced Blazor Templating," by Michael Washington

Blazor Succinctly, by Michael Washington (ebook)

Custom Blazor Oqtane Modules Succinctly, by Michael Washington (ebook)

Blazor WebAssembly Succinctly, by Michael Washington (ebook)

Azure Communication Services

Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 157 "Konstantin Dinev on Multi-Team DevOps"

Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 155 "Jason Beres on DevOps for Shipping Libraries"

Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 154 "Dean Guida on the Future of .NET Components"

Syncfusion

Radzen

Telerik

BlazorHelpWebsite.com

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on November 15, 2021

James Shore on the Art of Agile Development - Episode 167

Today, James Shore joins The Azure DevOps Podcast! James teaches, writes, and consults on Agile software development. He is co-author of the classic Agile how-to guide, The Art of Agile Development, and is the co-creator of the Agile Fluency® Model; a highly-regarded guide for Agile adoption. He is also the recipient of the Agile Alliance's Gordon Pask Award for Contributions to Agile Practice.

James' book, The Art of Agile Development, first came out in late 2007. This year (late 2021), the second edition is coming out. A lot has changed with Agile development during this time and in this episode, James highlights what some of these key differences are and his advice to veteran, intermediate, and beginner programmers alike.

Topics of Discussion:

[:36] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:11] About today's episode with James Shore.

[1:39] Jeffrey welcomes James to the podcast.

[1:44] Jeffrey congratulates James on the second edition of his book,

[2:01] James shares some of the highlights of his career and his journey as a programmer.

[7:57] James discusses the history of test-driven development.

[8:57] James highlights the mainstays from the first edition to the second edition of his book, The Art of Agile Development.

[12:17] Why and how programming should stay fun.

[13:50] James shares his perspective around what an Agile team looks like, structurally.

[17:23] James elaborates on the fluidity of Agile and why it is a philosophy; not a method.

[19:20] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[19:57] What needs to be in place in order for Agile to succeed.

[23:13] How to answer the question of, "When is it going to be done?" with Agile.

[26:22] How to be more predictive in an Agile team.

[28:48] James speaks about engineering practices that are general rules of thumb for teams employing Agile.

[32:23] Where Kanban fits into the Agile picture and what James recommends for new teams.

[35:47] James gives advice to programmers and companies when it comes to working remotely.

[39:14] Where to find James, his work, and his book online.

[40:53] Jeffrey congratulates James once again on the 2nd edition of his book and thanks him for joining the podcast and sharing his insights!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

James Shore's Twitter @JamesShore

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

DEVintersection Conference — Dec. 7th‒9th in Las Vegas, Nevada (Use discount code: PALERMO)

James Shore's Website

The Art of Agile Development, by James Shore and Shane Warden (2nd Edition, 2021)

Dreyfus Learning Model

Agile Fluency

Miro

Mural

Mythical Man-Month, The: Essays on Software Engineering, by Frederick Brooks Jr.

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on November 8, 2021

Eilon Lipton on Blazor Desktop - Episode 166

This week, Eilon Lipton is joining the podcast! Eilon is a Principal Software Engineer at Microsoft. Eilon has been entrenched in the .NET world since it publicly came out. He started out as an intern at Microsoft on the ASP.NET team in 2000 and then came back to Microsoft in a full-time position in 2002 and has been with the company ever since. Some of his career highlights include working on the update panel control, seeing technologies like Blazor come around and bringing C# off of the server and into the client space as a manager of ASP.NET, and working on the first versions of NVC and Web API as an engineer and engineering manager.

In this episode, Eilon is discussing the ins and outs of Blazor Desktop — which is currently 100% of what he's been working on. He takes listeners on a deep-dive of Blazor Desktop, sharing what they need to know in anticipation of .NET 6 and the GA drop of Visual Studio 2022 coming out. He also touches on WPF, WinForms, MAUI, and the 2021 DEVintersection Conference.

Topics of Discussion:

[:39] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:15] About today's episode with Eilon Lipton.

[1:30] Jeffrey welcomes Eilon to the podcast.

[1:45] Eilon shares highlights from his career and how he first arrived at Microsoft.

[4:54] About today's topic of conversation with Eilon: Blazor Desktop.

[5:45] What Blazor Desktop means for developers.

[5:55] Eilon shares his vision for Blazor Desktop.

[9:02] Eilon gives a run-through of the options available for Blazor Desktop.

[10:49] What's the relationship between the Blazor web view control and Web view 2?

[12:52] Does the Blazor web view give you more access to the operating system than a browser normally does?

[15:05] Is there a useable preview that's coming out soon for .NET MAUI?

[17:51] When you download the GA of VS '22, is the latest MAUI going to be ready to go or do you need to download a subsequent installer?

[19:05] With Blazor Desktop, is there a default wrapper or does it ask you to pick a WPF shell or WinForms shell? What is the normal path if you just want one Blazor application to be Windows native?

[24:18] A word from The Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[24:50] Eilon speaks about the development environment for Blazor Desktop.

[28:08] Are they still working toward getting an actual relational database to be possible in the browser sandbox?

[30:26] Is there any special workflow with how Eilon and his team work on Blazor Desktop?

[34:07] Would it be possible to

[38:08] In Blazor Desktop, is it native UI controls or web widgets that are rendered?

[39:36] Is Blazor mobile bindings carrying forward into MAUI? Is it intended to be used so that it feels more like a mobile app over there vs. on Windows or Mac, looking more like how your web application would look?

[42:50] Is it part of the Blazor Desktop vision to extend it to WinForms or WPF?

[46:58] Where to find more information about Blazor Desktop online and how to get in touch with Eilon.

[49:16] About the upcoming DEVintersection Conference.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Eilon Lipton's Twitter @Original_Ejl

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

DEVintersection Conference — Dec. 7th‒9th in Las Vegas, Nevada (Use discount code: PALERMO)

.NET MAUI

ASP.NET Web APIs

Ruby on Rails
Blazor

Blazor Desktop

"Building Blazor Desktop Apps with Electron.NET"

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Jeffrey Palermo 3:00 am on November 1, 2021

John Miller on Microsoft Teams Apps with Blazor - Episode 165

This week, Jeffrey is joined by John Miller to discuss Microsoft Teams Apps with Blazor.

John Miller is a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft. Lately, he has been working on the MS Teams toolkit to make Teams Apps with Blazor. He also works on Visual Studio Tools for Unity.

With .NET 6 just around the corner and Blazor support and enhancements coming out, John shares all about the work he is doing with Microsoft Teams Apps with Blazor, the Teams toolkit, TeamsFx, and Visual Studio Tools for Unity. If you're a developer that is curious about Microsoft Teams Apps, you won't want to miss out on today's conversation!

Topics of Discussion:

[:39] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure; the new video podcast Architect Tips; and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:13] About today's episode with John Miller!

[1:30] Jeffrey welcomes John to the podcast.

[1:38] John shares his career history that led him to Microsoft and to the current team he is in.

[3:45] John shares the vision for the type of Blazor app that he is working on for Microsoft Teams.

[5:04] Are people using what John and the team are working on right now? Where is it in its lifecycle?

[6:19] Is Microsoft Teams Apps with Blazor similar to Zoom apps?

[7:53] Could you use the message extensions in Teams similar to how Slack commands work?

[8:30] Jeffrey shares his vision for how Development teams could work with Teams Apps.

[9:52] How much of the Teams application can be controlled with code that you yourself build?

[10:57] Are custom mini-applications part of the vision for Teams?

[12:45] Where to go to try out TeamsFX and the Teams toolkit and provide feedback.

[13:16] A word from The Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[13:50] Will Teams Apps be just as usable in the desktop version as the web version?

[15:06] What does the Visual Studio project type look like for Teams Apps?

[16:57] What are the options for running Teams locally?

[18:23] John explains what the automated testing touchpoints are for Teams.

[20:22] Are there no limitations for testing methods?

[20:42] How would you deploy your app to the Teams production environment?

[21:50] With Teams, is there such a thing as a non-production Teams environment that could be deployed to and tested out before actually modifying what people are using day-to-day?

[23:03] Can you create any number of non-production environments?

[23:53] What is the current status of Unity? Why should developers take a look at it?

[26:12] What consoles can you target with Unity?

[27:05] Resources that you should take a look at as a developer to learn more!

[28:08] Where to find John Miller online.

[28:53] Jeffrey thanks John for joining the podcast.

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!